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Sun, 15-Mar-15 18:09:17
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Mon, 16-Mar-15 12:38:04
reppoc wrote:• I personally believe the genealogies in the New Testament are speculative accounts written by men and thus prone to error and unreliable.
• If Jesus' unnatural origins disqualified him as Messiah then its strange that Jesus - in his own lifetime - had thousands of Jewish followers (who of course saw him as a prophet and Messiah, not God in the flesh). Its also highly unlikely that they were all ignorant of the requirements of tribal lineage. According to Christian scriptures huge crowds even hailed him as "son of David". In fact, nowhere in the New Testament do we read of a controversy over Jesus lineage from David.
Thanks to both of you for the detailed replies.
Mon, 16-Mar-15 13:23:18
פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
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Sun, 17-May-15 11:50:23
reppoc wrote:As for which son was to be sacrificed, its a plain fact that Isaac - born after Ishmael - could have never been described as the "only" son. Only Ishmael could have been described as an "only" son as he came before Isaac.
Take your son, the only one you love - Isaac. . . B'reshit / Genesis 22:2
Sun, 17-May-15 14:06:18
Sophiee1 wrote:יְחִֽידְךָ֤ אֲשֶׁר־אָהַ֙בְתָּ֙ -- the only one you love.The meaning is that Isaac is the only son Abraham loves (not the only son he has).
...קַח נָא אֶת בִּנְךָ “Please, take your son...” !שְׁנֵי בָנִים יֵשׁ לִי “But I have two sons!”...אֶת יְחִידְךָ “Your ‘only son’...” !זֶה יָחִיד לְאִמּוֹ וְזֶה יָחִיד לְאִמּוֹ “But both of them are the ‘only sons’ of their respective mothers!”...אֲשֶׁר אָהַבְתָּ “The one that you love...” !תְּרוּיֵיהוּ רְחִימְנָא לְהוֹ “But I love them both!”.אֶת יִצְחָק “Yitz'ḥak.”
Sun, 17-May-15 14:47:10
He said to him,“ Whom you love.” He said to Him,“ I love them both.” He said to him,“ Isaac.” Now why did He not disclose this to him at the beginning? In order not to confuse him suddenly, lest his mind become distracted and bewildered, and also to endear the commandment to him and to reward him for each and every expression. — [from Sanh. 89b, Gen. Rabbah 39:9, 55:7]
Sun, 17-May-15 15:12:15
Sun, 17-May-15 21:35:34
reppoc wrote:@ zvi
I don't think that is the issue. Ezekah is correct. If Muslims don't think the Christian Scriptures are reliable historical accounts, how could they rely on them as evidence that "huge crowds of Jews" hailed Jesus as the "son of David" or that there was no controversy over his lineage?
I said the genealogies in the New Testament are speculative accounts written by men and thus prone to error and unreliable. I don't hold that the entire New Testament is unreliable.
Obviously mistakes can happen with names in a genealogy (as seen in the Torah as well), but a description of large crowds is a very broad detail and can be easily documented without making too many mistakes.
Mon, 18-May-15 14:24:41
Mon, 18-May-15 16:44:40
ProfBenTziyyon wrote:I hope you guys are very proud of yourself. This morning, my father was admitted to the hospital after suffering a major cardiac infarct, which the doctor looking after him attributed to severe frustration. He is presently unconscious and not expected to recover. Once again, you should be proud of yourself: is there no kibbud zekenim on this forum?
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Tue, 19-May-15 02:45:33
Sophiee1 wrote:I will add him to my מִי שֶׁבֵּרַךְ.
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