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Quote:"Neither the word Trinity, nor the explicit doctrine as such, appears in the New Testament, nor did Jsus and his followers intend to contradict the Shema in the Old Testament: 'Hear, O Israel: The L-rd our G-d is one (an only) L-rd' -- Deut. 6:4
Quote:The early Xian philosopher Origen used phrases such as two G-ds in discussing the creed. Justin Martyr speaks of a second G-d. And then of course, there is the decidedly polytheistic Xian doctrine of the Holy Trinity. The idea that G-d can manifest in three persons is identical with the Pagan concept of the many natures or faces of the one supreme ineffable G-d. The notion of the divine trinity is not found in Judaism, but is prefigured by Paganism. Aristotle writes of the Pythagorean doctrine that the whole and everything in it is comprehended the by the number three, for end, middle and beginning have the number of the whole that is the trinity. Hundreds of years earlier an ancient Egyptian text has G-d proclaim: Being one I became Three. Another reads:There are all the G-ds, Amon, Ra, Ptah, there are none like them. Hidden in his name as Amon, he is Ra, his body is Ptah. He is manifested in Amon, with Ra and Ptah, the three united.
Quote:We often hear that the doctrine of the holy Trinity is not found in the Bible. In the sense of the philosophical statements that later theologians loved, this is true. .
Quote:It has been rightly said that the (GT) contains no doctrine of the Trinity. (pg 49).
Quote:there is no developed doctrine of the Trinity enunciated in the New Testament, ..."(front of book).
Quote:"The word Trinity is not found in the Bible . . . It did not find a place formally in the theology of the church till the 4th century."
Quote:In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. . .(it is) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180 .
Quote:To J* and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it."
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Sun, 28-Oct-07 18:34:21
Quote:"I shall give you another testimony, my friends," said I, "from the Scriptures, that God begat before all creatures a Beginning, a certain rational power(proceeding) from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos....The Word of Wisdom, who is Himself this God begotten of the Father of all things, and Word, and Wisdom, and Power, and the Glory of the Begetter, will bear evidence to me, when He speaks by Solomon the following: 'If I shall declare to you what happens daily, I shall call to mind events from everlasting, and review them. The Lord made me the beginning of His ways for His works"
Quote:"The Lord," says the Scripture, "possessed me, the beginning of His ways for the creation of His works. Before the worlds He founded me; before He made the earth, before the mountains were settled in their places; moreover, before the hills He generated me, and prior to the depths was I begotten." Let Hermogenes then confess that the very Wisdom of God is declared to be born and created, for the special reason that we should not suppose that there is any other being than God alone who is unbegotten and uncreated.
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Tue, 30-Oct-07 20:43:34
Quote:Council of Nicea, 325 CE codified the trinity as a Xian belief.
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Quote:Therefore, the "Trinity" as people know of it today was really unknown to Christians from about 120-381 ACE.
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