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Thu, 15-Nov-07 09:26:04
Quote: εν (at) αρχη (first) ην (is/was) ο (the) λογος (reason/intellect) και (and) ο (the) λογος (reason/intellect) ην (is/was) προς (towards/facing/with) τον (the) θεον (god) και (and) θεος (god) ην (is/was) ο (the) λογος (reason/intellect) so once we translate the whole verse we're basically seeing: At first is/was the reason/intellect and the reason/intellect is/was towards/facing/with G-d (ton the-on) and G-d is the reason/intellect. The problem with that verse in Greek is that we see the-os being written as just the-os (G-d) and not as o the-os or ton the-on, which are proper ways of saying G-d (or the G-d). So the part which is written solely on its own as "th-eos", could be implying just any random diety, of course with ton the-on written before in the sentence we automatically assume that we're still talking about the same G-d. Over all though, logos does not mean word in ancient Greek, and the translation of logos to word is a corrupt modern translation of the meaning for word. Funny thing is the Greek word for Dictionary is Lexilogio, which is a combination of two words Lexi (word) and logio (logos = reason/intellect) so you can't say that lexilogio means wordword it means word-intellect, and the purpose of a dictionary is for the knowledge of words.
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Sat, 17-Nov-07 10:37:36
Quote:ChaimWhat did Stephen, being full of the spirit, see when he looked up into heaven? Nothing?
Quote:ChaimAlso, why would "more" need to be revealed about God's nature?
Quote:MalachiII Did the Jews at the time of Jesus believe in a Trinity? Would this be a G-d that their fathers did not know? The answer is YES! They never believed that G-d was a Trinity.
Quote:pensteel A final question, "If Jesus believes himself to be God, why doesn't he just say it? Why are we left to solve a mystery? When God wanted Israel to keep the Torah and made the obedience to the Torah a matter of life or death in this world and the next he was very clear about what the Torah is. Wouldn't he be equally clear if he wanted us to believe He was a Triune being?
Sat, 17-Nov-07 11:05:08
Quote:@Num.6:23. Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying: This is how you shall bless the children of Israel, saying to them:24."May the Lord bless you and watch over you.25. May the Lord cause His countenance to shine to you and favor you.26. May the Lord raise His countenance toward you and grant you peace."27. They shall bestow My Name upon the children of Israel, so that I will bless them.
Quote:@Gen.18:1And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre, as he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day.2 And he lifted up his eyes and looked, and lo, three men stood by him. And when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground3 and said, "My lord, if now I have found favor in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant.4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet and rest yourselves under the tree;5 and I will fetch a morsel of bread and comfort ye your hearts. After that ye shall pass on, for therefor are ye come to your servant." And they said, "So do, as thou hast said."
Quote:@Ex.3:15. And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.
Quote:@Ex.34:5. And the Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and He called out in the name of the Lord.6. And the Lord passed before him and proclaimed: LORD, LORD, GOD, Who is compassionate and gracious, slow to anger and abundant in loving kindness and truth,7. preserving loving kindness for thousands, forgiving iniquity and rebellion and sin; yet He does not completely clear [of sin] He visits the iniquity of parents on children and children's children, to the third and fourth generations."
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Quote:'Three', the number of overflowing and divine perfection in *****ure:
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Sun, 18-Nov-07 13:50:35
Quote:Chapter XVI. Scripture the Criterion by Which Truth and Heresy are DistinguishedAnd if those also who follow heresies venture to avail themselves of the prophetic Scriptures; in the first place they will not make use of all the Scriptures, and then they will not quote them entire, nor as the body and texture of prophecy prescribe. But, selecting ambiguous expressions, they wrest them to their own opinions, gathering a few expressions here and there; not looking to the sense, but making use of the mere words. For in almost all the quotations they make, you will find that they attend to the names alone, while they alter the meanings; neither knowing, as they affirm, nor using the quotations they adduce, according to their true nature.
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Mon, 19-Nov-07 08:12:17
Quote:UriYosef You are kidding here, are you not? We can make the same argument for other numbers as well, for example 7, 12, & 13.
Quote:ChaimIs Jesus telling people of the Sanhedrin they will also see this vision?
Quote:ChaimIf you've been keeping up with this thread, you'd see that Tacitus and Josephus wrote about Jewish belief being the same universally as today with respect to One God who is an absolute Unity. Jews today do not know of God existing as 3 persons and Tacitus and Josephus confirm that was the universal Jewish belief back then as well. Jesus is simply a god Jews never knew - no more than Zeus or Mithras.
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Mon, 19-Nov-07 11:37:01
Quote:Malachi's response: You haven't proven that or even given scripture to back it up. Please read my post dated 11/14/07 8:26 am.After you have read those verse, please explain why Paul calls your second person of the Trinity the "Firstborn" of all creations in Colossians 1:15 and John calls the same the "begining of" the creation by G-d in Revelations 3:14. I would like point by point details with verse on the realated subject.
Quote:Malachi:Take a look at John 8:54Jesus answered: If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father that glorifies me, he who you say is your G-d!Undeniable the Jews claimed YHWH as their G-d. Jesus did not say he was YHWH but that YHWH was his Father. He did not claim to be their G-d but he did claim his Father was their G-d.
Quote:MalachiThe Trinity cannot be used to support the Trinity? This is the circular reasoning
Mon, 19-Nov-07 12:01:46
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