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Quote:ChaimWhat is this "one name" worthy of worship? Are you required to pray to God through Jesus?
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Quote:'Three' is closely related to the Name of the Lord.
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Tue, 20-Nov-07 15:11:38
Quote: ChaimRebecca,Clement's writings no more prove the Trinity than they prove Philo's belief about the created Logos. The point being, there is nothing definitive from the earliest church fathers that shows the earliest christians believed in andworshipped a Trinity.
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Tue, 20-Nov-07 16:24:33
Quote:ChaimI asked What is this "one name" worthy of worship? Aad answered:The Name is: the Name of the Father, the Word and the Spirit. That Name is 'I am there for you'.................I've never heard such a thing ............Are you serious that this is the "one name worthy of worship"? Aad, are you usually this cryptic around other people?
Quote:ChaimAad: I don't think one is required to pray to God through Jesus. Although: what is meant by 'through Jesus' or 'in the name of Jesus' ? Is it not: in accordance with the Will of God(righteousness and mercy)?Aad, what does that mean? Are you required to worship only the father? How do the holy ghost and Jesus fit into your worship?
Tue, 20-Nov-07 16:50:35
Quote:Medini:No act, no role, done or assumed by G-d, can be G-d unless it is a role or act not freely done or assumed by G-d - i.e., an inherent or essential act or role. If it is free, then it is ex-nihilo and, it that most basic existential dependence, cannot be G-d. If it is not free, then your "G-d" is finite in "His" essential dependence, and not G-d at all.
Quote:MediniAlso, I would like to comment on your "one Name worthy of worship" - First, you gave three distinct names with different meanings, not "one Name"; Second, NO "name" or anything else finite is "worthy of worship". G-d's Names (even His Sublime Name YKVK) are to open us to the truly worthy of worship; no Name is to become the object of worship - that is idolatry, plain and simple.
Tue, 20-Nov-07 17:13:15
Quote: ChaimAs has been stated before, there's nothing clear in Clement's writings that shows he believed in the same trinity you believe in today.
Tue, 20-Nov-07 17:31:46
Quote:You're arguing now for Jesus' divinity, but we've discussed the LOGOS and how it was Philo's clear belief that the LOGOS was not "God", but instead "a god", a creation - even if it was the 1st creation. There's nothing in Clement's writings that refute Philo's take on the LOGOS, meaning we can see just as much evidence for a created LOGOS whose purpose was so that God (being Spirit only) could interract with the known Universe as we can find for your personal take. Actually, considering Philo and his belief in the LOGOS, there's more evidence against the Trinity than for it.
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Wed, 21-Nov-07 13:25:49
Quote:and as John here speaks of the word, as a distinct person from God the Father, text removed. rule violation 3. Non-Jews are free to ask questions about Judaism but non-Jews attempting to teach Judaism will have their posts edited or removed. Such posts are misleading., or Chaldee paraphrases; #Ps 110:1 "the Lord said to my Lord," is rendered, "the Lord said to his word"; where he is manifestly distinguished from Jehovah, that speaks to him; . . .(snip)
Quote:Post edited. Rule violation #8. Excessive posting from the Greek Text (Xian book), Koran or other non-Jewish sources is not allowed (it is proselytizing). Again one may reference them (e.g., "see John 1:1" , but not excessively paste them into posts.
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Quote:Wait still for Saul of the tribe of Benjamin to die, for one reign must not encroach on another;
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