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Wed, 28-Nov-07 12:30:45
Quote:If you are willing to forget logic for now, I am completely in agreement. Taking just what the Tanach says, Genesis 18 calls the three visitors "men". In the middle of talking to these men, Abraham is suddenly found talking to the Lord.
Quote:Genesis 18:11. Now the Lord appeared to him [Abraham] in the plains of Mamre and he [Abraham] was sitting at the entrance of the tent when the day was hot
Quote:Genesis 18:22. And he lifted his eyes and saw, and behold, three men were standing beside him, and he saw and he ran toward them from the entrance of the tent, and he prostrated himself to the ground.
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Wed, 28-Nov-07 15:11:36
Quote:Malachi:John 1:14 says that the word became flesh, how can you separate the two natures?
Quote:Malachi:We see what Greek philosophy has done so that there occurred an apostasy from apostolic Christianity.
Quote:Malachi:Nothing you wrote above has ANY scriptures from the Hebrew Bible or GT to back it up. The doctrine of the Trinity has shown to be a man made doctrine invented in the 4th century.
Wed, 28-Nov-07 15:27:00
Quote:EzAad:Do I get this right: "the state of existence from non-existence": is this your definition or requirement for the status of (a) God? Medini:No, the opposite - this state is a finite one because of its fundamental existential dependency, and is not and cannot be G-d unless you are willing to have a finite for "G-d".
Quote:Medini:If G-d exists from non-existence, then He is finite, as I explain above, and you have a finite for "G-d".
Quote:Medini:Further, the distinguishability of Father, Word and Spirit that means they are finite for without any kind of boundary (finis) there can be no distinguishability. Hence, again, if any of these are G-d, then you have a finite for "G-d".
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Thu, 29-Nov-07 08:31:18
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Thu, 29-Nov-07 11:28:43
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Quote:when Genesis 18:1 say that the L-rd appeared to Abraham, it cannot be maintained that the L-rd's appearance was complete before he saw the three men
Quote:"The L-rd appeared to Abraham"
Quote:2. And he (Abraham) lifted his eyes and saw, and behold, three men were standing beside him. . .
Quote:"In the beginning of G-ds creation of ( .)
Thu, 29-Nov-07 12:11:28
Thu, 29-Nov-07 13:20:37
Quote:Genesis 12:10 says that Abraham went down to Egypt to sojourn there, but in the next verse, we find Abraham approaching Egypt.
Fri, 30-Nov-07 10:14:46
Quote:MalachiBTW Aad, you never overturned the fact that Colossians 1:15 and Revelations 3:14 both state that Jesus, your second person of the Trinity was believed to be a created being by the Church and the Apostles. And before I forget Proverbs 8:22 says explicity that he was created! That is also the viewpoint of the Church Fathers.
Sun, 2-Dec-07 01:32:06
Mon, 3-Dec-07 09:48:45
Quote:Malachi's responseYou said G-d can express himself in human nature, where is the scriptures is that explicity said Aad? It is just another invention of the Trinitarians.
Quote:Malachi's responseYou go to to say He can guarantee there will be no mix of the two natures, yet a union. Again your opinion, using the definition of the Trinity to prove a point. The scriptures say nothing about Jesus having two natures. Is there any where in the Hebrew Bible or GT that explicity says that anyone ever had two natures? Again another man made doctrine.
Quote:Malachi's responseWhere oh where does it say that the apostles believed that G-d was three persons in one substance or (G-d)? Please gives scriptures that say explicity that the Apostles believed in that. There is overwhelming evidence that the apostles and the Jews at that time believed ONLY the Father was G-d.
Quote:Malachi's responseJohn 17:3 Are there any unambiguous elements of this clear teaching that the Father is the ONLY true G-d? Would not ONLY exclude others, such as the one mentioned in the same context with Him, the one sent forth, Jesus?
Mon, 3-Dec-07 11:21:21
Quote:That *****ure is Genesis 1, where G-d says He created man, Adam, in the image of God. Man(kind) represents G-d. . .
Quote:Genesis 1:27. And G-d created man in His image; in the image of G-d He created him; male and female He created them.
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