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Quote:ChaimYour last post is a statement of faith, not fact. Please name and quote for us the earliest christian who clearly and unambiguously articulated a belief in the Trinity you now profess.SophieIt is nothing but one big sermon.
Quote:DavidBeautiful Hebrew poetry as also all chapter 22. If structure of language is not known how can one assume to guess its meaning.
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Quote:Salvation didn't come from them - it came through them.
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Quote:Well, that's true, but by that logic you would have also refused to put the lamb's blood on your doorpost at Passover, or offer sacrifices at Yom Kippur, since those animals were all "created beings".
Quote:there is nothing he (Chaim) is lacking that Hashem Himself can't provide, or hasn't provided a means for through His Torah.
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Quote:"For from the moment when those things began to exist, over which the power of a L-rd was to act, G-d, by the accession of that power, both became L-rd and received the name thereof. Because G-d is in like manner a Father, and He is also a Judge; but He has not always been Father and Judge, merely on the ground of His having always been G-d. For He could not have been the Father previous to the Son, nor a Judge previous to sin. There was, however, a time when neither sin existed with Him, nor the Son; the former of which was to constitute the L-rd a Judge, and the latter a Father." [Tertullian, Against Hermogenes
Quote:"For the Father is the entire substance, but the Son is a derivation and portion of the whole, as He Himself acknowledges: "My Father is greater than I." [T]he Paraclete [is] distinct from Himself, even as we say that the Son is also distinct from the Father; so that He showed a third degree in the Paraclete, as we believe the second degree is in the Son, by reason of the order observed in the Economy." [Tertullian, Against Praxeas
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Quote:MalachiII where did they go astray? I can tell you, when they had to use extra biblical ideas to explain a doctrine that is not taught in the Hebrew Bible nor GT.Any doctrine that says that G-d died refutes itself.
Quote:RebeccaJesus speaks very clearly about the role of the Holy Spirit (John 14 and 16). \0/And I concur with Aad; even though English is not his first language, he is far more eloquent than I.The early church fathers (Clement, et al) conveyed truths regarding the Father, Son and Holy Spirit which are quite recognizable to us today.SophieTertullian (early 3rd century CE) cointed the term trinitas but there is no proof that he used the term to speak of the modern concept of the trinity. Read what he wrote -- he says G-d wasn't always "the Father" -- in other words he doesn't support the modern concept of the trinity.
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