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Quote: malachiI have never been a JW.
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Quote: ChaimI want a real answer to this. Something practical, biblical, you name it. Reject our fathers teaching or not?
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from 1 Clement:Who being the brightness of His majesty is so much greater than angels, as He hath inherited a more excellent name.
Quote, Medini: Where is the evidence of Trinity here? Where is the evidence of "Divinity" for JC? .... "Greater than the angels"? That doesn't = Deity either - all tzaddikim are greater than angels (cf. www.nishmas.org/chassidus/bereishis/vayishlach5759.html)
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Quote: MediniThe key here is:"having BECOME so much better than the angels"In other words, JC, in Clement's view, has achieved something he didn't already possess, just as in our Oral Torah sources tzaddikim are greater than angels due to their achievements than move them beyond the level of the "ordinary man" per Ps. 8:5.No evidence of JC's "Deity" here, I'm afraid.
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Quote: MediniThis is really not the place to debate in detail NT theology.
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