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Fri, 23-Nov-07 16:08:31
Quote:What equation are you using, Harry? How many universities are worth how many native cultures destroyed?How many hospitals are worth one murdered Jewish child?
Quote:Consistent with my own POV: the blueprint for a house does not predetermine what will occur in that house. The blueprint for creation comprehends all things that can happen and what things cannot; it does not determine what will.
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Fri, 23-Nov-07 16:29:07
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Fri, 23-Nov-07 17:00:18
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Fri, 23-Nov-07 19:17:57
Quote:I will not take the time now to respond to Arikm7's long list of misunderstandings. They have been discussed before on this forum. They are not directed to my main point, which was that a bunch of horrible happenings in the history of a movement does not disqualify that movement. Ezekiel 36:22 is right to the point. Also, remember that the bad deeds get the most press.
Fri, 23-Nov-07 19:40:05
Quote:Uri, I would like to make a conceptual distinction. In our minds that is not what we try to do, "conversion" is not the objective. I have never tried to "convert" anyone to Christianity. I have, do, and will try to get people "saved".
Quote:Catholics, I do believe, seek converts to Roman Catholicism - they don't say convert to Christianity, but to Catholicism.
Quote:Conversion is trying to get a person to switch "religions". Like when Jews accept "converts", because Judaism is not a religion whose goal is eternal life by salvation. You guys assume everyone has eternal life.
Quote:For evangelicals, just the opposite, we believe that man lost that disposition in the garden of eden. Thus, our goal is "salvation" to eternal life, based upon a person could die any second, and "salvation' of their soul is in that understanding, the only thing that matters in a person's life. So in our mind, when someone accepts Jesus as Lord and Saviour, it is that they are saved, not converted.
Quote:Evangelicals, when talking with one another, giving their personal testimony, they don't talk about when they converted to Christianity, but when they were "saved" which always is by their direct sinner's prayer to God, accepting Jesus as their personal savior. Not when they joined a Church or chose to adopt Christianity to be their religion or theology. Judaism is not the same, because Judaism is not based upon a single person as Saviour, but Laws. Judaism's made up Noahidism is the same, but less of them.
Quote:Given your Judaism paradigm, I can understand how you would phrase what we seek as being "conversion" to Christianity. But really what we seek is to get people "saved".
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Fri, 23-Nov-07 23:52:59
Sat, 24-Nov-07 16:52:56
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Sat, 24-Nov-07 20:36:58
Quote:God God-self does not "know the future."
Sat, 24-Nov-07 22:08:32
Quote:If G-d exists beyond time, then how can He not know the future?
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Sat, 24-Nov-07 23:14:47
Sat, 24-Nov-07 23:37:34
Quote:Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted and shall kill you and you shall be hated of all nations for my names sake"
Quote:"he that shall endure to the end, the same shall be saved" (Mark 13:13).
Sun, 25-Nov-07 00:42:50
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Sun, 25-Nov-07 03:51:44
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Quote:I have, do, and will try to get people "saved".
Sun, 25-Nov-07 08:13:32
Quote:.......of course the generation of Adam from Hashem's POV started with Adam, Eve.WHERE DO YOU THINK IT ENDS ?? -from Hashem's POV as laid out in your torah.
Sun, 25-Nov-07 11:07:07
Sun, 25-Nov-07 11:37:19
Sun, 25-Nov-07 12:21:05
Quote:Genesis 5:3 Adam lived 130 years, and he had a son in his likeness and form. He named him Seth. . .5:6 Seth lived 105 years, and he had a son Enosh.
Sun, 25-Nov-07 12:33:25
Quote:Mark 9:1 . . .there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of G-d come with power."
Quote:Matthew 16:28. . .there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom. . .
Sun, 25-Nov-07 13:00:47
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