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Thu, 13-Dec-12 23:47:17
Muzzybluezzy wrote:Prophet Abraham had two sons named Ishmael(Ismael) and Isaac. The prophethood of race of Prophet Isaac ended with J_sus. . .
Kindly remember where you are, “Muzzybluezzy”: you are being highly offensive. Although he was 14 years Yitz'ḥak’s senior, Yishma'él was not a “prophet” and was specifically rejected by God as Avraham’s heir and successor B'réshıt 21:12, and—even before Yitz'ḥak was born—Avraham himself said to God,
וַיֹּ֥אמֶר אַבְרָהָ֖ם אֶל־הָֽאֱלֹהִ֑ים ל֥וּ יִשְׁמָעֵ֖אל יִחְיֶ֥ה לְפָנֶֽיךָ׃Avraham said to [the] God: “Oh, if only Yishma'él would live before You!” (B'réshıt 17:18)
Moreover, the christian imposter was no “prophet” either; if anything, he was a FALSE prophet who deserved death (D'varim 13:6, 18:20), because he made at least one “prediction” that never happened (reported at Mattai 24:1-2, Marcus 13:1-2, Lukos 19:41-44).The Rambam makes a very interesting remark in the Mishnĕh Torah:
וְכָל הַדְּבָרִים הָאֵֽלּוּ שֶׁל יֵֽשׁוּ הַנּוֹצְרִי וְשֶׁל זֶה הַיִּשְׁמְעֵאלִי שֶׁעָמַד אַחֲרָיו—אֵינָן אֶלָּא לְיַשֵּׁר דֶּֽרֶךְ לַמֶּֽלֶךְ הַמָּשִֽׁיחַ וּלְתַקֵּן אֶת הָעוֹלּם כֻּלּוֹ לַעֲבוֹד אֶת ה' בְּיַֽחַד: שֶׁנֶּאֱמַר "כִּי־אָ֛ז אֶהְפֹּ֥ךְ אֶל־עַמִּ֖ים שָׂפָ֣ה בְרוּרָ֑ה לִקְרֹ֤א כֻלָּם֙ בְּשֵׁ֣ם יְיָ֔ לְעָבְד֖וֹ שְׁכֶ֥ם אֶחָֽד׃" כֵּיצַד? כְּבָר נִתְמָלֵּא הָעוֹלָם כֻּלּוֹ מִדִּבְרֵי הַמָּשִֽׁיחַ וּמִדִּבְרֵי הַתּוֹרָה וּמִדִּבְרֵי הַמִּצְוֺת וּפָשְׁטוּ דְּבָרִים אֵֽלּוּ בְּאִיִּים רְחוֹקִים וּבְעַמִּים רַבִּים עָרְלֵי־לֵב, וְהֵם נוֹשְׂאִים וְנוֹתְנִים בִּדְבָרִים אֵֽלּוּ וּבְמִצְוֺת הַתּוֹרָה. אֵֽלּוּ אוֹמְרִים "מִצְוֺת אֵֽלּוּ אֱמֶת הָיוּ וּכְבָר בָּטְלוּ בַּזְּמַן הַזֶּה וְלֹא הָיוּ נוֹהֲגוֹת לְדוֹרוֹת" וְאֵֽלּוּ אוֹמְרִים "דְּבָרִים נִסְתָּרוֹת יֵשׁ בָּהֶן וְאֵינָן כִּפְשׁוּטָן, וּכְבָר בָּא מָשִֽׁיחַ וְגִלָּה נִסְתְּרֵיהֶם". וּכְשֶׁיַּעֲמֹד הַמֶּֽלֶךְ הַמָּשִֽׁיחַ בֶּאֱמֶת וְיַצְלִֽיחַ וְיָרוּם וְיִנָּשֵׂא—מִיָּד הֵם כֻּלָּם חוֹזְרִים וְיוֹדְעִים שֶׁשֶּֽׁקֶר נָחֲלוּ אֲבוֹתֵיהֶם וְשֶׁנְּבִיאֵיהֶם וַאֲבוֹתֵיהֶם הִטְעוּם.. . . all the words of the christian Yéshu and of that Yishm'éli who arose after him [Muḥammad] have only served to prepare the way for the arrival of the King-Mashiyaḥ, leading the whole World to serve Adonai together—as it is written (Tz'fanyah 3:9): “...for then I will cause all the nations to revert to speaking ‘the pure language’ [i.e. Hebrew] and they will all proclaim Adonai’s Fame and serve Him with one single purpose’. How can that possibly be? Consider this: the whole World is already filled with talk about a ‘Messiah’ and about the Torah and about the mitzvot—so it has already come about that these concepts have been spread to the furthest parts of the World and among even the pagan, idolatrous nations, who right now are discussing these topics and the Torah’s mitzvot. Some of them [christians] are saying that the mitzvot were true, but are now abolished and were never intended to remain in force for ever, while others [moslems] are saying that they [i.e. the mitzvot] contain ‘hidden mysteries’ and were never intended to be interpreted literally—but that a ‘messiah’ [i.e. Muḥammad] already came and revealed these ‘secrets’. However, when the true King-Mashiyaḥ arises and succeeds in becoming exalted and uplifted, they will all right away realise their mistake and they will then understand that the teaching passed down to them from their ancestors was false, and that their prophets and their ancestors misled them [compare Yirm'yahu 16:19]. (Hilchot M'lachim 11:11, 12, 13)
פרופ' מָרְדֳּכַי בֶּן-צִיּוֹן, יְרוּשָׁלַיִם, אֶרֶץ יִשְׂרָאֵל
Thu, 13-Dec-12 23:49:14
Sophiee1 wrote:. . .Islam is practicing monotheism -- which is (by default) Noahidism.
This is not true at all; Islam does not equate to “Noahidism”; the Rambam states expicitly in the Mishnĕh Torah
כָּל הַמְּקַבֵּל שֶֽׁבַע מִצְוֺת וְנִזְהָר לַעֲשׂוֹתָן, הֲרֵי זֶה מֵחֲסִידֵי אֻמּוֹת הָעוֹלָם וְיֵשׁ לוֹ חֵֽלֶק לָעוֹלָם הַבָּא. וְהוּא שֶׁיְּקַבֵּל אוֹתָן וְיַעֲשֶׂה אוֹתָן מִפְּנֵי שֶׁצִּוָּה בָהֶן הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא בַּתּוֹרָה וְהוֹדִיעָֽנוּ עַל יְדֵי מֹשֶׁה רַבֵּֽנוּ שֶׁבְּנֵי נֹֽחַ מִקֹּֽדֶם נִצְטַוּוּ בָהֶן. אֲבָל אִם עֲשָׂאָן מִפְּנֵי הֶכְרֵֽעַ הַדַּעַת—אֵין זֶה גֵר תּוֹשָׁב וְאֵינוֹ מֵחֲסִידֵי אֻמּוֹת הָעוֹלָם וְלֹא [ס"א: אֶלָּא] מֵחַכְמֵיהֶם׃“Whoever accepts upon himself the seven mitzvot and is punctilious about doing them is considered to be one of the ‘pious among the gentiles’ and merits a share in the World to Come. But this only applies of he accepts them, and does them, specifically because the Holy One, Who is blessed, commanded them in the Torah and informed us through our teacher Moshĕh that of old No'aḥ’s sons were commanded about them. If, however, a person observes them ‘just because they seem like a good idea’, he is not considered to be a Gér Toshav (‘resident alien’) and he is neither one of the ‘pious among the gentiles’ nor even [aliter: but only] just one of their wise men.” (Hilchot M'lachim 8:14)
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