Here is the first two, excluding the statement about teachings of a suffering Messiah ben David.
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Actually, G-d DID inflict punishment on Israel. Israel suffered as a result of their own sin, not as a result of the Gentile nations. All you have to do is read Lamentations, Jeremiah 7:15, 16, or Jeremiah 11:10, 11 as well as 2 Chronicles 7.
Now if trying to apply this verse to the righteous remnant then you still have a problem. Israel(the righteous) did not bear the nations sins, since they are not punished for anything that the nations do. They bore the non-righteous Israel's punishment/sin. That of course would change your idea that the Gentile Nations are speaking. The idea that Israel is not punished or does not suffer for it's own sins is anti-Biblical. The nations would not be punishing Israel if they did not sin. And the righteous only suffer because a sinful part of Israel went against G-d.
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This is odd. Since when the nations overdo the punishment of Israel, they are judged and destroyed by G-d. As pointed out by the quotes you use to back this statement. Jeremiah 10:25 Pour out Your wrath upon the nations that do not know You and upon the families that have not called in Your name, for they have devoured Jacob and consumed him and destroyed him, and have wasted his dwelling. Jeremiah 50:17 18 First the king of Assyria devoured him, and this last one broke his bones, Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon. Therefore, so said the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel; Behold I visit retribution upon the king of Babylon and upon his land, as I visited upon the king of Assyria. The Gentile nations are not healed for going to far in their punishment of Israel. They are destroyed and have G-d's wrath poured out upon them.
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The (Gentile) nations acknowledge that Israel was the victim who bore the dire penalties which the iniquities of others have incurred. The (Gentile) nations' own misdeeds, and not G-d punishing Israel for its sins, inflicted the suffering on Israel. The Jewish people have been forced to carry ills and pains caused by the direct actions of the (Gentile) nations. They have borne the consequences of the (Gentile) nations' sickness, and have suffered (and continue to) suffer because of them. The (Gentile) nations have held that the Jewish people are cursed by G-d, and they were (and still are) determined to see that they suffer the consequences of this alleged curse.
Actually, G-d DID inflict punishment on Israel. Israel suffered as a result of their own sin, not as a result of the Gentile nations. All you have to do is read Lamentations, Jeremiah 7:15, 16, or Jeremiah 11:10, 11 as well as 2 Chronicles 7.
Now if trying to apply this verse to the righteous remnant then you still have a problem. Israel(the righteous) did not bear the nations sins, since they are not punished for anything that the nations do. They bore the non-righteous Israel's punishment/sin. That of course would change your idea that the Gentile Nations are speaking. The idea that Israel is not punished or does not suffer for it's own sins is anti-Biblical. The nations would not be punishing Israel if they did not sin. And the righteous only suffer because a sinful part of Israel went against G-d.
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Thus, the literal translation of the phrase (nirpa-lanu) would be [it] was healed for us, referring to an illness, and from which the idiomatic expression that means we were healed was formed... The meaning of this verse, with Israel as the servant, is consistent with the history of the Jewish people, and with their promised future, as was already shown in the previous segment. The (Gentile) nations are realizing that their own sickness (perhaps the sickness of anti-Semitism) became the vehicle for their oppression of the Jewish people throughout the years... Whereas the (Gentile) nations believed that Israel was undergoing divine retribution for sins, they now realize that the suffering of the servant was also due to their actions and sinfulness. ..The healing they have experienced may be the end of this anti-Semitism once they will have had this magnificent revelation about Israel.
This is odd. Since when the nations overdo the punishment of Israel, they are judged and destroyed by G-d. As pointed out by the quotes you use to back this statement. Jeremiah 10:25 Pour out Your wrath upon the nations that do not know You and upon the families that have not called in Your name, for they have devoured Jacob and consumed him and destroyed him, and have wasted his dwelling. Jeremiah 50:17 18 First the king of Assyria devoured him, and this last one broke his bones, Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon. Therefore, so said the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel; Behold I visit retribution upon the king of Babylon and upon his land, as I visited upon the king of Assyria. The Gentile nations are not healed for going to far in their punishment of Israel. They are destroyed and have G-d's wrath poured out upon them.
