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GamaHWhen you fabricate a lie, it's hard to be consistent.
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Ezekah wrote: If one were to read the GT on its own, which includes their so-called old testament, I don't think any contradictions or fabrications would be evident. Within their own book, everything is consistent.
Ezekah wrote:Even if it's not internally consistent on the plain reading, then I'm sure their authorities provide interpretations to make it work.
Ezekah wrote:most people don't belong to a religion based on reading that religion's holy book.
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folah78 wrote:How can they believe that stuff ? Isn't a mad man sane in his "own eyes" ?
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Wed, 7-Aug-13 12:05:39
UriYosef wrote:folah78 wrote:How can they believe that stuff ? Isn't a mad man sane in his "own eyes" ?folah, Are you saying that you don't believe what the GT promulgates? If you do believe the GT, doesn't your second question apply to you as well (except for gender - replace "man" with "woman"...)?UriYosef
Wed, 7-Aug-13 12:18:12
folah78 wrote:LOL !!!Where is Sophiee and her big stick ??Is Yuri above the forum rules ??Just kidding.since Christian bashing is allowed here, I became Jewish just for this one post !
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folah78 wrote:Is there a sense of humour unique to Jews ?
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Thu, 8-Aug-13 09:29:40
Hebrew wander wrote: Also the earliest copies of new testament didn't even have Jesus's name according to the codex as well.
Thu, 8-Aug-13 09:39:21
Thu, 8-Aug-13 09:44:35
Hebrew wander wrote:Also the earliest copies of new testament didn't even have Jesus's name according to the codex as well.
The archaeology used commonly to claim the earliest appearances of Jesus Christ and Christianity in the record is shown here to be false: they are ‘interpolations’ and misreadings of panhellenistic symbols. Christianity first appears unequivocally in the early fourth century and we have found not a single artefact, including text, bearing the term Christ and dated reliably before the fourth century. What then, of Chrest and Chrestians – what happened to them? They were the subject of prosecution, because their commercial, low magic (theurgy) was illegal and under the emperor Diocletian, reached a high point, recorded by a member of the imperial court, Lactantius. Lucius Caecilius Firmianus Lactantius (ca. 240 – ca. 320), a Latin-speaking native of North Africa, was an advisor to Roman emperor Constantine I, guiding his religious policy as it developed, and tutor to his son. In his early life, he taught rhetoric in his native place, which may have been Cirta in Numidia, where an inscription mentions a certain ‘L. Caecilius Firmianus’. At the request of Diocletian, he became an official professor of rhetoric in Nicomedia, the voyage from Africa described in his poem Hodoeporicum. There he associated in the imperial circle with the administrator and polemicist Sossianus Hierocles and the philosopher Porphyry; here he will first have met Constantine and Galerius. LACTANTIUS. [TRANSLATED BY THE REV. WILLIAM FLETCHER, D.D.] CHAP. VII.—OF THE NAME OF SON, AND WHENCE HE IS CALLED JESUS AND CHRIST. …But although His name, which the supreme Father gave Him from the beginning, is known to none but Himself, nevertheless He has one name among the angels, and another among men, since He is called Jesus among men: for Christ is not a proper name, but a title of power and dominion; for by this the Jews were accustomed to call their kings. But the meaning of this name must be set forth, on account of the error of the ignorant, who by the change of a letter are accustomed to call Him Chrestus. Editorial note: Suetonius speaks of Christ as Chrestus. The Christians also were called Chrestians, as Tertullian shows in his Apology. Here we have an open admission to how Chrest becomes Christ. After this point in time, Chrest is Christ, Chrestians are Christians and monks began the process we noted, supra, of changing the biblical texts accordingly. It also remained to claim panhellenic symbols used in Chrestian texts as ‘nomina sacra’ for Christianity.
The archaeology used commonly to claim the earliest appearances of Jesus Christ and Christianity in the record is shown here to be false: they are ‘interpolations’ and misreadings of panhellenistic symbols.
Christianity first appears unequivocally in the early fourth century and we have found not a single artefact, including text, bearing the term Christ and dated reliably before the fourth century.
What then, of Chrest and Chrestians – what happened to them? They were the subject of prosecution, because their commercial, low magic (theurgy) was illegal and under the emperor Diocletian, reached a high point, recorded by a member of the imperial court, Lactantius.
Lucius Caecilius Firmianus Lactantius (ca. 240 – ca. 320), a Latin-speaking native of North Africa, was an advisor to Roman emperor Constantine I, guiding his religious policy as it developed, and tutor to his son. In his early life, he taught rhetoric in his native place, which may have been Cirta in Numidia, where an inscription mentions a certain ‘L. Caecilius Firmianus’.
At the request of Diocletian, he became an official professor of rhetoric in Nicomedia, the voyage from Africa described in his poem Hodoeporicum. There he associated in the imperial circle with the administrator and polemicist Sossianus Hierocles and the philosopher Porphyry; here he will first have met Constantine and Galerius.
LACTANTIUS. [TRANSLATED BY THE REV. WILLIAM FLETCHER, D.D.] CHAP. VII.—OF THE NAME OF SON, AND WHENCE HE IS CALLED JESUS AND CHRIST. …But although His name, which the supreme Father gave Him from the beginning, is known to none but Himself, nevertheless He has one name among the angels, and another among men, since He is called Jesus among men: for Christ is not a proper name, but a title of power and dominion; for by this the Jews were accustomed to call their kings. But the meaning of this name must be set forth, on account of the error of the ignorant, who by the change of a letter are accustomed to call Him Chrestus. Editorial note: Suetonius speaks of Christ as Chrestus. The Christians also were called Chrestians, as Tertullian shows in his Apology.
LACTANTIUS.
[TRANSLATED BY THE REV. WILLIAM FLETCHER, D.D.]
CHAP. VII.—OF THE NAME OF SON, AND WHENCE HE IS CALLED JESUS AND CHRIST.
…But although His name, which the supreme Father gave Him from the beginning, is known to none but Himself, nevertheless He has one name among the angels, and another among men, since He is called Jesus among men: for Christ is not a proper name, but a title of power and dominion; for by this the Jews were accustomed to call their kings. But the meaning of this name must be set forth, on account of the error of the ignorant, who by the change of a letter are accustomed to call Him Chrestus.
Editorial note: Suetonius speaks of Christ as Chrestus. The Christians also were called Chrestians, as Tertullian shows in his Apology.
Here we have an open admission to how Chrest becomes Christ. After this point in time, Chrest is Christ, Chrestians are Christians and monks began the process we noted, supra, of changing the biblical texts accordingly.
It also remained to claim panhellenic symbols used in Chrestian texts as ‘nomina sacra’ for Christianity.
Thu, 8-Aug-13 09:45:47
1. יְהוֹאָחָז Y'ho'aḥaz is spelt Ιωαχας (“Ioakhas”), 2. יְהוֹאָשׁ Y'ho'ash is spelt Ιωας (“Ioas”), 3. יְהוֹזָבָד Y'hozavad is spelt Ιωζαβεδ (“Iozabed”), 4. יְהוֹיָכִין Y'hoyachin is spelt Ιωακιμ (“Ioakim”) [although this is actually an error], 5. יְהוֹיָקִים Y'hoyachin is also spelt Ιωακιμ (“Ioakim”), 6. יְהוֹנָדָב Y'honadav is spelt Ιωναδαβ (“Ioanadab”), 7. יְהוֹנָתָן Y'honatan is spelt Ιωναθαν (“Ioanathan”), 8. יְהוֹעַדִּין Y'ho'addin is spelt Ιωαδιν (“Ioadin”), 9. יְהוֹצָדָק Y'hotzadak is spelt Ιωσαδακ (“Iosadak”),10. יְהוֹרָם Y'horam is spelt Ιωραμ (“Ioram”),11. יְהוֹשֶֽׁבַע Y'hosheva is spelt Ιωσαβεε (“Iosabee”),12. יְהוֹשַׁבְעַת Y'hoshav'at is spelt Ιωσαβεθ (“Iosabeth”), and13. יְהוֹשָׁפָט Y'hoshafat is spelt Ιωσαφατ (“Iosaphat”),BUT14. יְהוֹשֻֽׁעַ Y'hoshu'a is spelt Ἰησοῦς (“Iēsous”).
In fact, יְהוֹשֻֽׁעַ Y'hoshu'a is the only Hebrew name starting with the letters יְהוֹ־ (“Y'ho–”) whose transliteration in the pseudo-septuagint doesn’t begin with Ιω– (“Io–”), which is mighty suspicious because this makes it look very much as though the spelling of the Greek transliteration of the name יְהוֹשֻֽׁעַ Y'hoshu'a has been deliberately altered to make it match the way יֵֽשׁוּ Yéshu (“J-sus”) is spelt in the additional Greek texts that christians print as a kind of “supplement” to their bibles and which they pretend are a “continuation” of the books they stole from us.
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