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Mon, 12-Aug-13 19:08:20
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Mon, 12-Aug-13 19:30:10
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Shapira (and other so called "Messianic Rabbis") claims to hold full rabbinic ‘smicha’ (rabbinical ordination) from the International Alliance of Messianic Congregations and Synagogues (IAMCS). In recent years, this Hebrew-Christian movement, also generically known as Hebrew-Christianity, Jews for Jesus or Messianic Judaism, has become extremely large and powerful movement in Christianity. As a result, Protestant Christian umbrella organizations, such as IAMCS and the other Christian Bible Colleges that oversee “Jewish evangelism” no longer ordain their clergy as “Minister, Pastor, Reverend” and choose only the “Rabbi” designation. Christian missionaries dedicated to converting Jews to Christianity use “Rabbi” with complete impunity because they truly believe they are doing nothing dishonest or deceptive. Nevertheless, the stark reality remains. Their ordinations are from the Protestant, Evangelical, and “born-again” New Testament-believing church organizations and have no relevance or authority in Jewish theology.
Mon, 12-Aug-13 19:44:45
Mon, 12-Aug-13 20:07:52
The deception here is slick! But if you look close enough you will see it! Not once does Itzhak Shapira say he was raised in an “Jewish Orthodox” home. What he does say is that he was raised in an “observant Saphardic” home. What does that mean? What was he “observant” to? He then goes on to say that he ” holds a full Rabbinic S’micha from the IAMCS”. Do you know what IAMCS is? It is certainly NOT a “Jewish Rabbinical School”. On the contrary! IAMCS is an online christian school where one can get a “paper certificate” that say’s rabbi on it. My real question is this. Why do these messianic christians try to use the authority that comes with being a genuine Orthodox Jewish Rabbi, deceitfully I might add, and then reject the very Rabbi’s he is pretending to be?!
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Tue, 13-Aug-13 13:22:22
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Tue, 13-Aug-13 13:53:21
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menashe wrote:You can find some interesting info about the so called 'rabbi' shapira here at these links:http://menashedovid1.wordpress.com/messianic-update/http://menashedovid1.wordpress.com/kosher-pig-update/kosher-pig-update-ii/
Tue, 13-Aug-13 14:48:20
yhayyim wrote:No way he had formal Jewish education. Anyone that learned a bit can tell this right away after listening to his teachings for a few minutes. There are a couple vids where Shapira goes into more detail about his roots, neighborhood in Israel, his sinagogue, etc.
Let me go back to listening to the video. . .
Tue, 13-Aug-13 20:05:46
Sophiee1 wrote:yhayyim wrote:No way he had formal Jewish education. Anyone that learned a bit can tell this right away after listening to his teachings for a few minutes. There are a couple vids where Shapira goes into more detail about his roots, neighborhood in Israel, his sinagogue, etc. I am watching the video and a few things have jumped out at me (and I'm only 9 minutes into it). He claims to be a native born Israeli (Hebrew is his native language). 9 minutes into the video he says he was in Synagogue davening (praying) and he had no idea what the men were saying. ???????????? Jews pray in Hebrew. If he is native born Israeli how could he not know what they were saying when they were speaking in his native tongue??? Is it possible because his family were Iraqi that he didn't really learn Hebrew but spoke Arabic? He claims (earlier) that he had no idea what a gentile was until he was 17. Then he says someone gave him a shield with a big red cross on it when he was 7 and he panicked. Um, why? If he didn't know what a Christian WAS why would a cross upset him?Let me go back to listening to the video. . .
Tue, 13-Aug-13 20:07:57
menashe wrote:You can find some interesting info about the so called 'rabbi' shapira here at these links: http://menashedovid1.wordpress.com/messianic-update/ http://menashedovid1.wordpress.com/kosher-pig-update/kosher-pig-update-ii/
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menashe Its best to stick with one point, the most important fundamental point and point out the error(s) as effectively and as simply as possible.
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