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ProfBenTziyyon wrote:(2) I am, however, at a loss to understand what Cohen is talking about when he refers to “the Aramaic word asei”: there is no such word in Daniyyél 7:13-14 and Strong’s number H858 corresponds to the verbal root אתא; the form of it that occurs in Daniyyél 7:13 is the p'al participle אָתֵה atéh (“coming”) followed by the verb הֲוָא havah (“was”), so that the two words taken together mean “was coming”.
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Sophiee1 wrote:[c]hristianity (Edom) is the pig... You can see its "split hooves." Outwardly it says "look at me I'm kosher" (I'm monotheistic) -- but it is not kosher.
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Proteus wrote:Is mastication an appropriate subject for discussion in polite company?
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Zvi wrote:Proteus:I don't think he got your joke.
Wed, 6-Nov-13 10:32:23
UriYosef wrote:Take into consideration that it is the אַשְׁכְּנַזִּי (ashkenaZI) pronunciation of the word אָתֵה.
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ProfBenTziyyon wrote:UriYosef wrote:Take into consideration that it is the אַשְׁכְּנַזִּי (ashkenaZI) pronunciation of the word אָתֵה.I have been giving this reply some further thought, and even consulted a colleague who is an expert in the הֲבָרָה אַשְׁכְּנָזִּית, who confirmed to me what I already believed to be the case, namely that אַשְׁכְּנַזִּים would not pronounce the Aramaic word אָתֵה (“coming”) as “assé”, but as “ŏssé”. This why I was originally confused by that transliteration.
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Fri, 27-Dec-13 09:56:39
The explosive debate surrounding the belief in a divine Messiah has engaged many great minds across the spectrum of religious beliefs. The most recent contender for a seat at this debate is Christian evangelist[2] “Rabbi”[3] Itzhak Shapira, author of The Return of the Kosher Pig.
In their endorsements of this book, respected Christian leaders have labeled Shapira “a Jewish insider”[4] with “encyclopedic knowledge of rabbinic sources”[5] and described this book as a product of “careful study.”[6] With these recommendations, Shapira has been promoting himself in Christian and Jewish circles as a “scholar” in rabbinic studies.
After reading The Return of the Kosher Pig and examining the sources, I feel a responsibility to present my findings. It would require several volumes to discuss the broad spectrum of blunders in Shapira’s book.[7] For the purpose of this review, I have selected a mere sampling of distortions found in the pages of The Return of the Kosher Pig (TROTKP), as well as errors that can only serve to disqualify Shapira from this debate.
When engaging in the difficult study of rabbinic literature, as Shapira purports to do, background knowledge and textual competence are a basic requirement, not a luxury. My hope is that by the end of this review, irrespective of your religious background or persuasion, it will be crystal clear that Shapira’s supporters were totally duped, and that his proficiency in the study of rabbinic writings is a sham.
Introduction
Shapira and his book bring to mind the famous “Beillis trial” that took place in Kiev in 1913. In this trial, Mendel Beillis, a Russian Jew, was accused of murdering a Christian child to take his blood for alleged Jewish rituals. During the trial, a Lithuanian Catholic priest named Justinas Pranaitis was called upon as a religious “expert” in Judaism for the prosecution.
In his book Blood Accusation, Maurice Samuel describes how Ben-Tzion Katz, an advisor to the Beillis defense team, exposed Pranaitis as a sham to the non-Jewish jury. “After listening to Pranaitis for a few minutes he [Katz] perceived that the man was a quack with the merest smattering of Hebrew and no knowledge of Aramaic, the language of the Zohar and most of the Talmud. Any Jewish boy with a cheder (elementary Hebrew school) education would have perceived it, but the jury of course had not even that.”[8]
Katz recommended that Pranaitis be asked the meaning of words such as Hulin, Yebamot and Erubin without letting him know that these were titles of volumes of the Talmud. Katz was positive that Pranaitis would not know the answers. It was obvious to Katz from the way Pranaitis had pronounced the words that he had picked up his “erudition” from scurrilous pamphlets with which Katz was familiar. Following this advice, the attorneys took turns asking these questions, with Pranaitis answering each question “Ne znayu” (I don’t know).
The exchange climaxed when one of the attorneys asked Pranaitis, “When did Baba Batra live and what was her activity?” Baba Batra is the name of a tractate of the Talmud. The word baba is also a common Russian term for grandma. Thus, when Pranaitas answered “Ne znayu”, he demonstrated that he was completely unfamiliar with even the names of the volumes of the Talmud, not just their content.
Samuel then quotes from a telegram sent to Moscow by one of the Tzarist agents, “[The] questioning of Pranaitis reduced the convincing power of his testimony, revealing ignorance of texts and insufficient acquaintance with Jewish literature. In view of the superficiality of his knowledge and his helplessness, Pranaitis’s testimony has very little significance.”[9]
continued at "The Return of Justinas Pranaitis"
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Fri, 27-Dec-13 10:29:05
ProfBenTziyyon wrote:Sophiee1 wrote:[c]hristianity (Edom) is the pig... You can see its "split hooves." Outwardly it says "look at me I'm kosher" (I'm monotheistic) -- but it is not kosher.One small titbit that this analysis fails to mention is that most animals (both cattle and also other animals, such as cats and dogs) lie down to sleep with their hooves/paws tucked underneath their bodies—but the pig alone lies with its feet stretched out in front of it, as if to say “Look at me, I have split hooves—I’m kashér!” But, of course, it lacks the second sign, because it doesn’t bring up its גֵּרָה gérah (“cud”) in order to masticate it again.
Fri, 27-Dec-13 10:48:16
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