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R' Tovia Singer "Let's Get Biblical" audio online
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Posts: 12907 (02/14/07 19:09:18) Moderator |
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Posts: 4 (03/12/07 11:39:25) |
I have those on my iPod....good stuff. I also listen to Rabbi Singer online at Israel National Radio.
I have a problem though. For some reason I can not download 3 of them. No matter what computer I use they quit at about 75% of the file. I guess I will just keep trying. |
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Sophiee1 |
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Posts: 12907 (03/12/07 12:02:54) Moderator |
Your internet connection may be timing out. Or try contacting R' Singer at his website to inform him that there may be a problem.
 And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Genesis, 21:12 |
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Posts: 67 (03/24/07 22:30:40) |
Hi,
Concerning not being able to download three of them, if you go to simpletoremember.com/ you will find a media link which will open up to a whole bunch of different judaism related topics. One is countermissionary. Rabbi Singer's entire tape series is there and it is compressed even more so that it is not too big of a download. I too was unsuccessful at his website. Please edit the hyperlink as necessary Tony |
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Posts: 67 (04/30/07 11:33:14) |
Thanks tony6083....the link worked great and I was able to download all of them plus much more.
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Sophiee1 |
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Posts: 12907 (04/30/07 11:38:52) Moderator |
Todah Robah, Tony. Very helpful.
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Posts: 60 (09/17/07 07:14:14) |
Love this series. R. Singer's approach is personable, but has quite a biting edge to it. If you haven't listened, its a must. I also enjoyed R. Michael Skobac's series from Jews For Judaism. A little more dry in approach, but good detail.
I think, if memory serves, that R. Singer was part of Jews For Judaism at one time. Anybody know the skinny? |
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Posts: 11146 (08/05/08 09:22:46) Moderator |
R' Singer debating a J4J apostate on a Chrstian radio program.
Rabbi Tovia Singer debates the head of Jews for Jesus LIVE! on air! - 36 min - Aug 3, 2008 Link. R' Singer's website is Outreach Judaism
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 55 (09/15/08 20:36:14) |
Go to R'Singer's site and get his DVD debates as well. He's EXCELLENT in-person!
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Posts: 1 (09/20/09 19:53:17) |
What do you guys think of Dr Michael Brown's point by point response to this tape series "Countering the Counter Missionaries"? Brown seemed to
take a much less fringe approach (using widely agreed upon theories) especially when dealing with "NT misuses of the Tenakh".
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Posts: 12646 (09/20/09 20:11:42) Moderator |
Michael Brown sounds good to those who don't know any better. He throws out multiple "sources" without backing them up, using them out of
context and basically dazzling his readers or listeners with his bluster.
I suggest you read this thread: Michael L. Brown, Brown was born a Jew who apparently (per his own words) became a thief and a drug addict as a youth. He became a Chrstian before he was fully grown and his "education" in religion are all from Chrstian sources. He has used many inaccurate sources that have been debunked over the years, but still he references them rather than doing his own research. I suggest that aside from the thread I posted you also check out: Contra Brown: Answering Dr. Brown's Objections to Judaism Table of Contents of Contra Brown: I. Who is Dr. Brown? -4 II. The real Jewish objections -5 1. The totality of scripture -6 2. Faith structure -10 3. The relationship that the Jewish people shared with G-d -11 III. Messianic prophecies -12 A. The Messianic era according -12 B. Son of David? -14 C. Psalm 22 and a light to the gentiles -15 D. Must the Messiah appear before 70 C.E.? -15 1. Haggai 2:6-9 -16 2. Malachi 3:1-4 -18 3. Daniel 9:24 -27 -18 4. Yoma 39b -20 E. Priestly King -21 1. Zechariah 6:9-15 -22 2. Psalm 110 -23 3. Messiah is not the only priest -24 F. Isaiah 53 -24 1. The identity of the servant -24 2. What did the Rabbis say? -25 3. The innocence of the servant -26 4. The suffering of the servant -27 5. The exaltation of the servant -28 IV Is the Messiah to be Divine? -32 A. Genesis 18 and Exodus 24 -32 B. The exalted nature of the Davidic king -33 C. Daniel 7:13 -34 V. Atonement -35 A. Brown's solution to a Chrstian problem -35 1. Talmud commentaries -35 2. The centrality of the offerings -35 3. The path from Leviticus 17:11 to Hebrews 10:4 -35 B. The Talmud commentaries in context -36 C. The centrality of the offerings in context -38 D. From Leviticus 17:11 to Ezekiel 11:16 -39 1. The suffering of the righteous -39 2. Life for a life -39 3. Who replaced the sacrifices? -41 VI. A call to my Messianic brothers and sisters -43 Footnotes -44
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 12647 (09/20/09 20:12:45) Moderator |
Michael Brown and Jewish Objections to His Books
(Kosher Judaism forum posts and links)
Michael Brown vs Rabbi Boteach - Who Killed Jsus? (video) R' Moshe Shulman's articles on Michael Brown: Who is Dr. Brown and Why Spend so Much Time on Him? 
Dr Michael Brown and Rabbi Moshe Shulman. Chatting after one of Dr. Brown's debates. Responses to Dr. Michael Brown's books "Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus" Response to Dr. Michael Brown's objection to my comments about Dr. David Stern in the article "Lies, Damn Lies and What the Missionaries say the Rabbis say." Response to Dr. Michael Brown's objection to my comments about what is in my article "Lies, Damn Lies and What the Missionaries say the Rabbis say." Response to Dr. Michael Brown's response to Rabbi Michael Scobac's article dealing with atonement for sin with the flour offering. (R' Moshe Shulman)
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 12648 (09/20/09 20:18:46) Moderator |
In this debate between R' Singer and Michael Brown (audio below) for some strange reason Brown claims that the oldest "complete" Jewish
T'nach is "only 1000 years old" -- as if to prove that it is somehow more accurate that the Greek Text.
This is an odd claim indeed, and R' Singer doesn't really retort it. Even today there isn't a "complete" New Testament. It varies from one sect to another. The Textus Receptus dates to 1512 -- a mere 500 years ago. Earlier manuscripts (Sinaticus and Vaticanus are older but they differ greatly from the TR and indeed from each other). This is why debating Brown is such a waste of time. He simply got the discussion off topic and tried to put R' Singer on the defensive -- defending the accuracy of the T'nach when supposedly Chrstians ACCEPT the T'nach. Singer either didn't know much about the Greek Text or simply didn't have at his disposal the facts to refute Brown's assertions. Here is a little info on the GT, its authors and its accuracy. From The Interpreter's Dictionary of the Bible, a book written to prove the validity of the GT , says: The oldest complete manuscripts (dating to about 350 CE) are the Sinaiticus and Vaticanus. They are not word-for-word with today's GT but they don't even include the same books in the GT canon as today's RCC and Protestant version. Sinaiticus adds Hermas and Barnabas. Vaticanus omits 1-2 Timothy, Titus, James, 1-2 Peter, 1-3 John, Jude, and Revelation. The inclusion or omission of these works do change the GT theology significantly. Go farther back to the earliest GT fragments and you'll find they come from the 2nd C. CE, and they include some with considerable variance from later versions (just read B. Ehrman's book - The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture: The Effect of Early Christological Controversies on the Text of the New Testament. New York: Oxford University Press, 1993). http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/ ... 63-4478228
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 2 (09/21/09 17:31:51) |
"Michael Brown sounds good to those who don't know any better. He throws out multiple "sources" without backing them up, using them out of
context and basically dazzling his readers or listeners with his bluster. "
Hmmmmmm......he claims that he offered to dialougue with a representative spokesperson from Messiah Truth and you guys bailed out on him the last minute. If his arguments are so weak, by all means take him up on this IM dialouge challenge. After all.....his words are only convinving to those who "don't know any better"! You should be able to nail him! |
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Posts: 12650 (09/21/09 19:17:20) Moderator |
Rather than hurl out insults why don't you actually READ some of those links presented to you in this thread? Michael Brown is not the expert source you
seem to think he is.
Are you perhaps afraid of reading the truth? Is that why you prefer to write nasty little posts with insults rather than to read the detailed posts herein? I have an interesting fact for you. Brown won't debate in Hebrew. That should tell you SOMETHING (but probably won't). Brown's knowledge of Hebrew is very limited, and based on his books (which I have read) he relies on the translations of earlier missionaries and repeat their mistranslations and distortions. Professor ben Tziyyon met him and relayed this in an earlier post: I have met Brown several times at seminars organised by the Hebrew University (where I used to head the Department of T'nach Studies), and he studiously avoided company in which Hebrew was being spoken. I personally witnessed one incident in which someone asked him, "Doctor Brown, ha'attah rotzeh mashehu lish'tot?" and he could not understand even this simple question.So what is the point of debating someone who throws out distortions, mistranslations and such in a lightening fashion? What does it prove? It proves only who is more skilled in his or her showmanship, not in knowledge or truth. Go and read up on the Kennedy / Nixon debates. Those listening on radio were sure Nixon had won -- he had more facts at his disposal. Those watching on TV knew Kennedy had won because he was handsome, was calm -- Nixon was sweating. . . The truth had nothing whatsoever to do with who won that debate. We are here to seek the truth. From your few posts so far you seem to be here to insult us, and as such won't last long. Either read what we've pointed out to you (which clearly show Brown has no understanding of the T'nach let alone more esoteric Jewish sources), or ask questions. Any further posts with insults will be edited or deleted.
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Posts: 12654 (09/22/09 10:52:09) Moderator |
Part two of the audio debate between R' Singer and Michael Brown is below.� A Chrstian calls in and states that "the messiah must be from the tribe of
Judah" and "all records were destroyed in the destruction of the second Temple in 70 CE" -- his reasoning being that there is no way to know who
the messiah is because all the records were destroyed (ergo he claims Jsus had to be the messiah).
We've written here before that per the Greek Text Jsus was NOT of the tribe of Judah. If there was a virgin birth then Jsus had no tribe. Tribal rights are only passed from biological father to biological son. R' Singer tries to make the point (but it gets lost over the caller not allowing him to finish) that being of the tribe of Judah, a descendant of David, is just "table stakes." It isn't a major messianic prophecy. There are literally tens of thousands of David heirs alive today -- and none of them are the messiah because the messianic prophecies which MUST be fulfilled by the messiah have not happened. BTW, the caller was wrong that the lineages were kept in the Temple and destroyed when the Temple was destroyed. The second Temple post dated the Babylonian exile and a majority of Jews lived outside of Judah in those days. Families keep their own lineage record and although many Jews have lost track of their tribes, others have not. Rashi (the famous sage) was a descendant of King David. R' Schneerson (of the Chabad) was a descendant of David, and so forth. UriYosef has written an article de-bunking this false claim entitled Genealogical Scams and Flimflams. Flash or PDF. Later in the audio file Brown brings up the "70 Weeks" in Daniel 9 insisting that this all had to happen before the destruction of the Second Temple. This just goes to show yet again that Brown isn't the great expert he likes to claim he is in Hebrew, if he can't tell the difference between two separate time frames and two separate messiahs -- he is basing what he says on MIS-TRANSLATIONS. The time frame isn't 70 weeks. The time frame is between seven shavuim (which coincides with the Babylonian exile) and then another sixty-two shavuim -- 62 + 7, not 70. The 62 shavuim was a time when Jews were on probation. IF they had done all those things then there would not have been a second, far longer, exile. The Jews did not heed Daniel's warning and as a result the second Temple fell thanks to baseless hatred of Jew against Jew. Rather than a prophecy that there will be everlasting righteousness, Daniel is saying that Israel must end corruption in its courts and society. Israel must return to universal justice. So this isn't a prophecy of world peace, but rather a warning to Israel. Which she did not heed and thus the warning given by Daniel came to pass. "The" messiah didn't come. Indeed the term "the messiah" is not found in Daniel 9. Instead two messiahs came and went. The first was Cyrus who gave the decree to rebuild Jerusalem and the second one marked the end of the period that Jews had to repent and avoid the punishment. Since messiah (moshiach) means anointed one this second messiah could have been a Roman Emperor who destroyed Jerusalem, or a high priest or a variety of people who WERE messiahs -- Jsus never was.
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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Posts: 12655 (09/22/09 10:56:09) Moderator |
Then Brown says Jews can't atone for sins without the Temple and aren't allowed to "make up" new ways to atone for sins outside of the Temple
sacrifices.
Guess Brown didn't read his T'nach very closely. Brown (and most Chrstians) then insists that there is no remission of sins without blood and without a Temple.� (Audio below).� Brown may believe there is no remission of sin without blood. This is absolutely the opposite of what the Jewish bible teaches. This mistake that atonement of sin requires a blood sacrifice comes from a mis-reading of Leviticus 17 where Jews are forbidden from EATING blood and told its only purpose is on the altar or to be thrown away into the dirt (Leviticus 17:13). Yet the bible tells us that charity atones: How about money? Granted this isn't atonement for sin, but atonement for the soul (exactly the same as Leviticus 17:11 BTW): And jewelry too -- atones for the soul the same as blood and money: The Torah says that blood atones -- it doesn't say that ONLY blood atones. This concept was added by the Greek Text to explain the need for Jsus to die for them. It is like saying "pizza is food -- ergo the only food in the world is pizza." Many, may things atone. There is atonement through: repentance (II Samuel 12:13-14, Jonah 3:10, Lev. 26:40-42, Ezek. 18:21-32, 33:11-16) kindness (Prov. 16:6, Daniel 4:24) prayer (Hos. 14:2-3,I Kings 8:46-50, Daniel 9:19) removal of idolatry (Is. 27:9) punishment (Is. 40:1, Lam. 4:22), death (Is. 22:14) flour offerings (Lev. 5:11-13) money (Ex. 30:15) jewelry (Num. 31:50) and incense (Num. 17:11-12). Turning to G-d (teshuvah), and communicating with G-d (tefillah) have always been a REQUIREMENT for the forgiveness of sins -- with or without a Temple. Perhaps Brown forgets that Abraham didn't have a Temple. Neither did Jacob. Or Isaac. The Jews in Egypt didn't have a Temple. There were no sacrifices prior to the giving of the Torah at Sinai. . . Here is what G-d has always required: Seems that Brown has over looked quite a few things in the bible, doesn't it?
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And everything that Sarah tells you, listen to her voice. Bereshit (Genesis) 21:12
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