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Quote:...worshipping that person is akin to idol worship
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Thu, 26-Jul-07 17:06:52
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Quote:1. JSUS DID NOT FULFILL THE MESSIANIC PROPHECIESWhat is the Messiah supposed to accomplish? The Tanach says that he will: A. Build the Third Temple (Ezekiel 37:26-2 . B. Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel (Isaiah 43:5-6). C. Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. As it says: "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore." (Isaiah 2:4) D. Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel, which will unite humanity as one. As it says: "G-d will be King over all the world -- on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One" (Zechariah 14:9). If an individual fails to fulfill even one of these conditions, then he cannot be "The Messiah." Because no one has ever fulfilled the Tanach's de*****ion of this future King, Jews still await the coming of the Messiah. All past Messianic claimants, including Jsus of Nazareth, Bar Cochba and Shabbtai Tzvi have been rejected.Chrstians counter that Jsus will fulfill these in the Second Coming, but Jewish sources show that the Messiah will fulfill the prophecies outright; in the Tanach no concept of a second coming exists.
Quote:The successful candidate will have attributes that must include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following: 1. Be the seed (a direct descendant) of King David, through King Solomon (e.g., 2 Sam 7:12-16)2. Be a spiritual and military/political leader (e.g., Is 2:3, 11:2; Dan 7:14)3. Be married and have children during his term (e.g., Ezek 46:16-17)The successful candidate will be expected to bring about certain conditions as part of his sovereignty, though some will commence prior to his being identified as the Messiah. These must include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following: 1. Arrival of Elijah the Prophet (e.g., Mal 3:23-24[4:5-6])2. Building the Third Temple in Jerusalem (e.g., Ezek 37:26-2 3. In-gathering of Jewish exiles to Israel (e.g., Is 11:12)4. Reunification of Judah and Israel into one people (e.g., Ezek 37:22)5. World peace (e.g., Is 2:4)6. Universal knowledge of G-d (e.g., Is 11:9)7. Resurrection of the dead (e.g., Is 26:19)
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Quote:Ezekiel 46:16-17 (16) Thus says the L-rd G-d: "If the Prince gives a gift to any of his sons, it is his inheritance to remain in their possession; it is their property by inheritance. (17) But if he gives a gift of his inheritance to one of his servants, then it shall be his [the servant's] until the year of liberty, and then it returns to the Prince; only to his sons shall his inheritance belong.
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Fri, 27-Jul-07 10:18:35
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Sat, 28-Jul-07 19:25:26
Quote:"And the L-rd shall become the King over all the earth; On that day shall HaShem be One, and His Name be One."
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Sun, 29-Jul-07 12:54:52
Sun, 29-Jul-07 14:19:47
Quote:What have you got that counters 1 Samuel 10:17-19, that says the Children of Israel rejected G-d as king (implied in the verses)?. . .in 1Samuel10:17-19 it says that Israel rejected G-d as king
Quote:1 Samuel 9:17 "When Samuel saw Saul, HaShem spoke up to him, "This is the man whom I said to you, This one will rule over my people. He will save My people from the hand of the Philistines, for I have looked upon My people, for their cry has come to Me.""
Quote:Deuteronomy 17:14 When you come to the land that G-d your Lord is giving you, so that you have occupied it and settled it, you will eventually say, 'We would like to appoint a king, just like all the nations around us.' 17:15 You must then appoint the king whom G-d your L-rd shall choose.
Quote:And HaShem, my G-d, will come
Sun, 29-Jul-07 23:29:04
Mon, 30-Jul-07 06:35:02
Quote:Genesis 17:15 G-d said to Abraham, 'Sarai your wife - do not call her by the name Sarai, for Sarah is her name. 17:16 I will bless her, and make her bear you a son. I will bless her so that she will be [the mother] of entire nations - kings will be her descendants.' .
Quote:35:10 G-d said to him, 'Your name is Jacob. But your name will not be only Jacob; you will also have Israel as a name.' [God thus] named him Israel. 35:11 G-d said to him, 'I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and increase. A nation and a community of nations will come into existence from you. Kings will be born from your loins
Quote:17:14 When you come to the land that G-d your L-rd is giving you, so that you have occupied it and settled it, you will eventually say, 'We would like to appoint a king, just like all the nations around us.' 17:15 You must then appoint the king whom God your Lord shall choose. You must appoint a king from among your brethren; . . .17:18 When [the king] is established on his royal throne, he must write a copy of this Torah as a scroll edited by the Levitical priests. 17:19 [This scroll] must always be with him, and he shall read from it all the days of his life. He will then learn to be in awe of God his Lord, and carefully keep every word of this Torah and these rules. 17:20 He will then [also] not begin to feel superior to his brethren, and he will not stray from the mandate to the right or the left. He and his descendants will thus have a long reign in the midst of Israel.
Mon, 30-Jul-07 23:18:51
Quote:The successful candidate will be expected to bring about certain conditions as part of his sovereignty, though some will commence prior to his being identified as the Messiah. These must include, but not necessarily be limited to, the following:6. Universal knowledge of G-d (e.g., Is 11:9)
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Quote:1 Samuel 8:1 When Samuel became old he appointed his sons judges over Israel. . .3 But his sons did not follow his wyas. They were swayed by profit; they took bribes and they perverted justice. 4 All the elkders of Israel then gathered together and came to Samuel, to Ramah, and 5 They said to him, "Behold! You are old and your sons did not follow your ways. So now appoint for us a king to judge us, like all the nations.6 It was wrong in Samuel's eyes that they said "Give us a king to judge us and Samuel turned to HaShem.7 HaShem said to Samuel, "Listen to the voice of the people in all that they tell to you, for it is not you whom they have rejected, but it is Me whom they have rejected from reigning over them. 8 Like all their deeds that they have done from the day I brought them up from Egypt until this day they forsook Me and worshipped the gods of others. So are they doing to you, as well.
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