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Quote: Now, please note that I am not expecting these explanations to turn you into a Christian believer. I would like you to drop these challenges from your list of unanswerable problems with the NT, since you can see that there are possible answers, even if you personally do not accept the answers. I am merely trying to demonstrate internal consistency in the NT here.
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Quote:That reminds me, although you bring up a rabbit trail that has nothing to do with the topic of this thread
Quote:I was the only person, not including Gideon Image and Sophiee a moderator, who responded with a list of things I learned. That makes me star #1 pupil, doesn't it?
Quote:You need to display a different demeanor if you expect to have a reciprocal discussion with me.
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Quote:Moses didn't accomplish freedom for the Children of Israel until his Second coming to Egypt. Right? Didn't he bring the message "I am" who sent him, the universal knowledge of G-d's name, to the Children of Israel, on his Second coming to Egypt?
Tue, 17-Jul-07 19:10:12
Quote: I realize that everyone there says they are not trying to get me to chuck my faith, but the issues raised are unavoidably implying those kinds of decisions. But you should understand that I have other reasons for believing and I did not decide to be a Christian because I figured out how many disciples and in what possible order Jesus appeared to them.
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Tue, 17-Jul-07 21:09:29
Quote:I don't argue that is what Judaism believes, Uri. I have confidence that you know your own religion quiet well, in depth. But I think you will have a hard time proving that solely from the text.
Quote:Moses didn't accomplish freedom for the Children of Israel until his Second coming to Egypt. Right? Didn't he bring the message "I am" who sent him, the universal knowledge of God's name, to the Children of Israel, on his Second coming to Egypt?
Quote:Likewise, isn't universal world wide knowledge of God one of the things that the messiah is supposed to do? Well, Moses did it for the Children of Israel on his Second coming to Egypt, not his first. He was rejected by his own people the first time.
Quote:Exodus 2:14 And he said, Who made thee a prince and a judge over us? intendest thou to kill me, as thou killedst the Egyptian? And Moses feared, and said, Surely this thing is known. kjv
Quote:Pharoah heard about this matter and sought to kill Moses; so Moses fled from before Pharaoh and settled in the land of Midian. He sat by a well. Exodus 2:15 (the Stone Edition Chumash)
Quote:3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them?3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. kjv
Quote:And He (G-d) said, "For I shall be with you- and this is your sign that I have sent you: When you tak the people out of Egypt, you will serve G-d on this mountain" Moses said to G-d, "Behold when I come to the Children of Israel and say to them, "The G-d of your forefathers has sent me to you, and they say to me, 'What is His Name?' -what shall I say to them? HaShem answered Moses "I Shall Be as I Shall Be." And He said, so shall you say to the Children of Israel, 'I Shall Be" has sent me to you.' G-d said further to Moses: So shall you say to the Children of Israel, HaShem, the G-d of your forefathers; the G-d of Abraham, the G-d of Isaac and the G-d of Jacob, has dispatched me to you. This is My Name forever, and this is My Remembrance from generation to generation. Go and gather the elders of Israel and say to them, 'HaShem, the G-d of your forefathers has appeared to me, the G-d of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob saying, 'I have surely remembered you and what is done to you in Egypt. And I have said I shall bring you up from the affliction of Egypt to the Land of the Canaanite, the Hittite, the Amorite, the Perizzite, the Hivvite and the Jebusite, to a land flowing with milk and honey
Quote:Moses and Aaron went and gathered all of the elders of the Children of Israel. Aaron spoke all the words that Hashem had spoken to Moses; and he performed signs in the sight of the people. And the people believed and they heard that Hashem had remembered the Children of Israel and that He saw their affliction, and they bowed their heads and prostrated themselves
Quote:(from the Stone Edition Chumash): ...the Jews knew the various Names of G-d, so that the question cannot be undestood literally [the question: "What is His Name"]. Each of G-d's Names represents the way in which He reveals Himself through His behavior toward the World. ...thus Moses was saying that once the Jews accepted him as G-d's emissary, they would want to know which of G-d's attributes He would manifest in the course of redeeming them from Egypt.
Tue, 17-Jul-07 21:28:19
Quote:And how many of them entered the promised land?
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Wed, 18-Jul-07 07:30:05
Quote:Let us appoint a leader and return to Egypt! (Numbers 14:4)
Quote:"Give us a portion (Numbers 27:4).
Quote:10:12 And now, Israel, what does G-d want of you? Only that you remain in awe of G-d your L-rd, so that you will follow all His paths and love Him, serving G-d your L-rd with all your heart and with all your soul.
Quote:10:13 You must keep G-d's commandments and decrees that I am prescribing for you today, so that good will be yours.
Quote:10:14 The heaven, the heaven of heaven, the earth and everything in it, all belong to G-d! 10:15 Still, it was only with your ancestors that G-d developed a closeness. He loved them and therefore chose you, their descendants, from among all nations, just as the situation is today. 10:16 Remove the barriers from your heart and do not remain so stubborn any more! 10:17 G-d your L-rd is the ultimate Supreme Being and the highest possible Authority. He is the great, mighty and awesome G-d, who does not give special consideration or take bribes. 10:18 He brings justice to the orphan and widow, and loves the foreigner, granting him food and clothing. 10:19 You must also show love toward the foreigner, since you were foreigners in the land of Egypt. 10:20 Remain in awe of G-d, serve Him, cling to Him, and swear by His name. 10:21 He is your praise and your G-d, the One who did for you these great and awesome deeds that you saw with your very eyes. 10:22 Your ancestors emigrated to Egypt with only seventy individuals, but now G-d your L-rd has made you as numerous as the stars of the sky.
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