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Quote:There is no reason to mention 62 weeks, in verses 25 and 26, unless the 7 weeks is for the rebuilding of Jerusalem.
Quote:Seventy septets have been decreed upon your people and upon your holy city to terminate transgression, to end sin, to wipe away inequity, to bring everlasting righteousness, to confirm the visions and prophets, and to anoint the Holy of Holies
Quote:Know and comprehend: From the emergence of the word to restore and to build Jerusalem until an anointed prince will be seven septets; and for sixty two septets it will be rebuilt, street and moat, but in troubled times.
Quote:Then, after the sixty two septets, an anointed one will be cut off and will exist no longer; the people of a prince will come, and will destroy the city and the Sanctuary; but its end will be like a flood. Then, until the end of war, desolation is decreed.
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Quote:To us, according to the King James in verse 26, there is indication that the messiah was cut off - but not for himself... which is what we believe that Jsus did - dying for the sins of the world, while he himself was without sin.
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Chaim ben Yaakov wrote:Dougg- We read 9:24 as "from the going forth of the word UNTIL an annointed one is 7 weeks". Do you find any reason to dismiss this understanding, because historically, Jeremiah's word dates to the destruction in 586BCE and Cyrus' decree was 49-52 years (~7weeks) later than that.
25And you shall know and understand that from the emergence of the word to restore and to rebuild Jerusalem until the anointed king [shall be] seven weeks, and [in] sixty-two weeks it will return and be built street and moat, but in troubled times.
26And after the sixty-two weeks, the anointed one will be cut off, and he will be no more, and the people of the coming monarch will destroy the city and the Sanctuary, and his end will come about by inundation, and until the end of the war, it will be cut off into desolation.
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Douggg wrote:The text.......(from the Jewish link Tanach) btw, Chaim says "an" anointed one, the link translation says "the".
כה וְתֵדַע וְתַשְׂכֵּל מִן מֹצָא דָבָר לְהָשִׁיב וְלִבְנוֹת יְרוּשָׁלִַם עַד מָשִׁיחַ נָגִיד שָׁבֻעִים שִׁבְעָה וְשָׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם תָּשׁוּב וְנִבְנְתָה רְחוֹב וְחָרוּץ וּבְצוֹק הָעִתִּים
כו וְאַחֲרֵי הַשָּׁבֻעִים שִׁשִּׁים וּשְׁנַיִם יִכָּרֵת מָשִׁיחַ וְאֵין לוֹ וְהָעִיר וְהַקֹּדֶשׁ יַשְׁחִית עַם נָגִיד הַבָּא וְקִצּוֹ בַשֶּׁטֶף וְעַד קֵץ מִלְחָמָה נֶחֱרֶצֶת שֹׁמֵמוֹת
Thu, 3-Sep-15 13:47:06
Douggg, I released your post to Chaim even though it comes almost 9½ years later (I also corrected a typo in my preceding post).
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"from among them there should arise a certain king that should overcome our nation and their laws, and should take away their political government, and should spoil the temple, and forbid the sacrifices to be offered for three years' time. And indeed it so came to pass, that our nation suffered these things under Antiochus Epiphanes, according to Daniel's vision, and what he wrote many years before they came to pass. In the very same manner Daniel also wrote concerning the Roman government, and that our country should be made desolate by them."
AND now Titus (the Roman leader) gave orders to his soldiers that were with him to dig up the foundations of the tower of Antonia, and make him a ready passage for his army to come up; while he himself had Josephus brought to him, (for he had been informed that on that very day, which was the seventeenth day of Panemus, [Tamuz,] the sacrifice called "the Daily Sacrifice" had failed, and had not been offered to G-d, for want of men to offer it, and that the people were grievously troubled at it. . .
This was a remarkable day indeed, the seventeenth of Paneruns. [Tamuz,] (CE) 70, when, according to Daniel's prediction, six hundred and six years before, the Romans "in half a week caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease," Daniel 9:27. For from the month of February, (CE) 66, about which time Vespasian entered on this war, to this very time, was just three years and a half. See Bishop Lloyd's Tables of Chronology, published by Mr. Marshall, on this year. Nor is it to be omitted, what year nearly confirms this duration of the war, that four years before the war begun was somewhat above seven years five months before the destruction of Jerusalem, ch. 5. sect. 3.
Thu, 3-Sep-15 17:07:48
Douggg wrote:Would G-d thought it so important to send Gabriel to foretell of some messiah figure in verse 26 who proved out to be a total unknown, as in Judaism interpretation? After all, for example, the horn on the goat as being foretold to be the king of Greece, in retrospect turned out to be Alexander the Great. And the little horn in Judaism's view, Antiochus IV. Both well known historical figures.But in Daniel 9:26 - not a king at all, but some high priest, who is a total unknown to history. That doesn't make sense to me.And what difference did it impart anything that high priest died?
"Daniel wrote that he saw these visions in the plain of Susa; and he hath informed us, that G-d interpreted the appearance of this vision after the following manner. “He said, that the ram signified the Kingdoms of the Medes and Persians; and the horns those Kings that were to reign in them: and that the last horn signified the last King; and that he should exceed all the Kings in riches and glory, that the he-goat signified, that one should come, and reign from the Greeks, who should twice fight with the Persian, and overcome him in battle; and should receive his entire dominion: that by the great horn, which sprang out of the forehead of the he-goat was meant the first King; and that the springing up of four horns upon its falling off, and the conversion of every one of them to the four quarters of the earth, signified the successors that should arise after the death of the first King; and the partition of the Kingdom among them; and that they should be neither his children, nor of his kindred that should reign over the habitable earth for many years: and that from among them there should arise a certain King that should overcome our nation, and their laws, and should take away their political government, and should spoil the temple, and forbid the sacrifices to be offered, for three years time.” And indeed it so came to pass, that our nation suffered these things under Antiochus Epiphanes, according to Daniel’s vision; and what he wrote many years before they came to pass. In the very same manner Daniel also wrote concerning the Roman government; and that our country should be made desolate by them. All these things did this man leave in writing, as God had shewed them to him. Insomuch that such as read his prophecies, and see how they have been fulfilled, would wonder at the honor wherewith God honored Daniel."
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